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Burlington?s Bronte Creek Meadows potential site for Amazon?s next HQ

Halton Region has joined Global Toronto?s bid for Amazon?s second headquarters, which is expected to bring 50,000 jobs to the host community.

One of the sites put forward is Bronte Creek Meadows in Burlington, a large area on Burloak and Upper Middle north of the QEW zoned for employment. The property has been the subject of an Ontario Municipal Board appeal and multiple requests to change the zoning for residential housing. Thankfully Burlington held onto it, as it keeps us in the running for this opportunity.

Halton has joined the GTA municipalities of Toronto, Mississauga, Brampton, Durham Region and York Region to submit a joint bid for the headquarters, known as Amazon HQ2.

Three Halton sites have been put forward for consideration:  Milton’s Derry Green Business Park fronting Hwy 401, Trafalgar Rd. and Hwy. 407 in Oakville, and the Bronte Creek Meadows employment area in Burlington.

A decision will be made in 2018.

For more information read InHalton news article: Halton?s Amazon Bid

 

 

 

Written by Marianne Meed Ward

I was inspired to seek public office because I believe, like so many of you, ?I can do something about that? on the issues we face. As councilor, my role is to take a stand on what?s best for residents and go to bat for it. Pushback is inevitable from those who don?t have the community?s interests at heart. I will stand with you and for you, to achieve the best interests of our city, without caving to unacceptable compromise in the name of consensus.

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  1. BURLINGTON?S BRONTE CREEK MEADOWS POTENTIAL SITE FOR AMAZON?S NEXT HQ https://t.co/ocXKa8p7KW https://t.co/Lir8zVmiNM

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  2. Burlington?s Bronte Creek Meadows potential site for Amazon?s next HQ https://t.co/NZvgTNSeKs via @mariannmeedward

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  3. Perhaps time for you to become involved in local politics,Jim. Maybe a second career choice ?

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  4. I am a former jobs developer for a technical college with 10 years experience.. LOL What do you base this 50000 jobs on?

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  5. Really 50,000 jobs in a head office! Read the article but no mention of job numbers.

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  6. … The current demographics of Burlington do not support this concept. If the idea is to ‘build & the young professional class will come’, affordable housing has to be available. Burlington simply doesnt have much of that.

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  7. From unlikety not to most likely never about Burlington getting the Amazon

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  8. Using the OP’s photo as the source image. The X closest to the lower left corner marks the location of the metal dump that I reported rotted out pesticide containers and petrochemical drum to the MOE spills hotline. The X closest to the middle is the tire dump. Other smaller dumps exist in this area… I’m not sure how many as I keep finding new ones.

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  9. Better would be to demonstrate by action that the City of Burlington is taking steps to find and fix these problems, before Amazon evaluates property in the area.

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  10. I take it that the images I posted of old dump sites in Bronte Creek Meadows have been deleted. If Amazon’s people inspect this area, they are going to see them, so deleting this information changes nothing as far as Amazon’s bid is concerned.

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  11. Shoot the messenger?

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  12. A very long shot to be sure, but looking at the sites, it’s one of the better ones in the Toronto area bid book. The presence of the GO station is a big boost once we get all day two-way on Lakeshore West line, and we have the requisite million+ population within 60 minutes commute. However the last mile problem makes it pretty much unworkable. It will require millions of dollars of investment to bring the area up to par. Transit is non-existent and walking/cycling options are sparse. There isn’t room for 50,000 or even 25,000 cars (which pretty much goes for any place under consideration), so access to the site needs to be multi-modal as Amazon stated in their RFP. Plus there’s nothing there in the way of services. Tech workers aren’t going to get in their car and contend with Burlington traffic every time they want to go to a coffee shop or for lunch. The decision, if the talks start getting serious, will change Burlington dramatically.

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  13. Here is another set of photos from the Bronte Creek Meadows area. Two years ago I reported this site to the Ministry of the Environment, the city, our ward 5 Councillor, the mayor, local MPPs and MP. I even sent an email to the Minister of the Environment. Apparently I am the only one who sees a problem.

    https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.878777778893649.1073741842.595058230598940&type=1&l=0c934922b6

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    • Here’s a video of the above site with Corpus Christi High School and some residential homes on Creek Way in the background https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6mJhAqKbfE

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    • is this still up?

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    • I expect that if Amazon’s people inspect Bronte Creek Meadows, they won’t be impressed by our city’s stewardship of this area. In fact they might be wondering if anything else is buried here and buyer beware. If they buy this site, they will inherit its assets and liabilities

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    • These tire dumps are also in Bronte Creek Meadows: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.793411474096947.1073741835.595058230598940&type=1&l=9818870ced

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    • Location of image 1 and 2 above https://goo.gl/maps/J5BwyFJ17uj

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    • What would amazon distribute that does not end this way.

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  14. Also I expect that if Amazon’s people inspect the Bronte Creek Meadows, they won’t be impressed by our city’s stewardship of this area. I know this area well and have taken photos of its neglected natural areas. These images are from Bronte Creek Meadows. Yes I have reported this to the city, but now one besides me seems to see a problem. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.793411474096947.1073741835.595058230598940&type=1&l=9818870ced

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  15. For the record, I support development in Bronte Creek Meadows, on condition that the amount of land allocated to a vibrant urban ecosystem is increased and the wild life corridor connecting Bronte Creek to Sheldon Creek is enhanced and improved.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildlife_corridor

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  16. The best location for Amazon’s corporate headquarters in Burlington would be above one of our GO Train stations as part of a multi-use development that includes underground parking, street level retail, warehouse space and public transit access, and above ground affordable housing, office space, luxury condos and penthouse suites with a view of Lake Ontario.

    https://rapleys.com/air-rights-developments/

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    • Development and air rights above existing Go Transit Infrastructure could be negotiated in exchange for properties in the Cootes to the Escarpment Ecopark or for other ecologically significant lands within Burlington or Halton Region. Lands would be held in Trust for Burlington’s non-human residents, including some which are on the endangered species list: https://www.ontario.ca/environment-and-energy/species-risk-region?name=Halton

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  17. Burlington is unlikely to win this, given the current state of our public transit and traffic congestion problems. The fact is, we aren’t in a position to win opportunities like this, because we haven’t invested wisely in our public transit infrastructure. Companies like Amazon need fast convenient access to international airports for their executives who will refuse to work where they will be constantly stuck in traffic jams.

    https://www.insidehalton.com/news-story/7600911-some-burlington-transit-drivers-work-more-than-60-hours-weekly-internal-audit-finds/

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  18. Traffic in Burlington is ridiculous. You need to plan your day so you?re not running errands before 9 and from 4 to 7.
    The 50k number doesn?t make any sense. Might be time to start looking at moving to a smaller town.

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  19. Hmmm I thought Burlington had contributed tax payers money to help fund Hamilton’s bid.

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  20. Also 466 more cars onnBrant St plus more building on Dundas on Hwy 5 in Watertown will make travel on Brant St even slower than it is now( and it is already slow)as cars travel to and from the highway. Schools , shopping and a changing demographic to younger families make putting this many homes into a small area make this proposal just plain stupid! Start making good planning decisions that represents what the people of Burlington want not what the Developers seem to want

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  21. Exactly the same arguments about the proposal to build 233 condo townhouses on the field at Brant St. and Havendale by Upper Middle. It seems the Deveopers desire for a bigger profit supercedes what the Burlington residents want. Brant St with approximately 466 more cars coming out of that neighbourhood. Interesting fact that at the neighborhood meeting the traffic representative stated that sometimes it takes something very bad ( like a traffic death) before a change will take place. If that is the pre planning being done by the city?s planning Deot we as a city need to take a hard stand on all future development. Councillor Rick Craven says it has nothing to do with increasing money from property taxes. If not for this reason then I guess it must be for the City?s perception that medium to high density building is a beautiful sight to behold!

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    • Appreciate your comments but seems too be off target from my comment

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    • Was more directed to the comment about increased traffic

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  22. Short and sweet. May we be so lucky! We will deal with all the issues if we are fortunate enough to get them!

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    • Opportunities like this go to cities that have already solved their problems.

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    • Probably a long shot but don?t underestimate our community. Can we be better absolutely but let?s not over estimate the extend of our so called ?

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    • By the way . MMW is a keeper!

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  23. This would be a very good site since it has a lot of flexibility in developing to meet the needs of Amazon. Very close to QEW/407 and Appleby Go. Not to mention a possibly expanded airport. I find the East/West traffic light in that area of the City making transit attractive. Unfortunately we don’t have a very motivated seller…

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    • Its not walking distance from the GO and Burlington’s Public Transit sucks, so this would mean more cars or buses. Why would Amazon want to locate here, compared to next to a major public transit hub, with easy access to an international airport?

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    • Way to go Vince. Your principled persistence is like a breath of fresh air.

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    • The reason Bronte Meadows is attractive is because it’s large enough to expand (for up to 50K employees) where there are very few tracts of land that large in the GTA close to the highway or any population base.

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    • Ken White If those were the only factors, we might have a chance, Our city hasn’t created the winning conditions for opportunities like Amazon, while other cities have. I’d be happy to eat crow but without substantial upgrades to existing public infrastructure

      For example Public Transportation from 5150 Mainway to Pearson Int’ Airport.

      First leg is an 11 minute walk from 5150 Mainway to Appleby/Mainway intersection. Leg two is the hourly bus to the Appleby GO train station which would be bad to miss, if you have a plane to catch. When you get to Appleby GO, according to google maps, car is still the fastest way to get to Pearson. The fastest way to the airport, leg 3, is Appleby Go to Long Branch Go, leg 4 is the Long Branch Loop Bus with 34 stops to Kipling and leg 5 is Kipling 192 North Bus with 3 stops to Pearson aka The Rocket. If the traveler makes every connection just right, they mike make the trip in just over 2 hours. If they miss any connections, it could take 3 or 4 hours.

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    • So? An executive (or anyone) is going to take a bus from Pearson to HQ in Burlington? If that’s what you think then clearly you work for the City of burlington planning department

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    • Ken White Of course they wouldn’t. That’s my point. I predict the winning location will have faster public transit to an international airport and more affordable housing than Burlington.

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  24. I’ll go drop off my resume there right now ?

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  25. And we complain about traffic now…better step up road maintenance if this is truly happening. Traffic will be nightmare in area. I have family that live near Amazon hub in Virginia and they are crushed with traffic.

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  26. That site would be perfect!

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    • Why? I mean I understand the economic benefit to the region, but looking at this from Amazon’s viewpoint, why wold this site be perfect for them?

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  27. I genuinely wonder how this is compatible with our regional plan for intensification which includes in it’s goals the need to reduce traffic congestion on major arterial roadways?
    I’m absolutely not against the idea of bringing in 50,000 jobs (not sure where this number is derived) but isn’t this going to put a huge number of extra vehicle trips/day directly onto one of the busiest and most congested highways in North America?
    I’m just curious about this question because it seems we are more than willing to impose sanctimonious and inconsistent decisions on small neighbourhoods based on questionable adherence to “the plan”, and cheerfully dismiss a primary objective of the plan when dollar signs appear.
    To underline this point I refer to the 2016 study completed by the Institute of Transport Engineers in Washington DC, which clearly illustrates a precipitous increase in vehicle trips/day directly linked to high capacity fulfillment centres.
    High-Cube Warehouse Vehicle Trip Generation Analysis
    https://library.ite.org/pub/a3e6679a-e3a8-bf38-7f29-2961becdd498

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    • This isn’t a fulfillment centre though, it’s a head office, so truck traffic would be minimal compared to their fulfillment centers.

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    • We do already have three Amazon fulfillment centers in the region, so Amazon is making a commitment to the area, which is a good thing.

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    • Thanks for that CPW. I missed that distinction. It is hard to grasp the size of an operation that needs several football fields worth of office space. Maybe I need to get out more. ?

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    • Great question. One of the many requirements of Amazon for site selection is access for employees to transit. We would have to get our transit in order.

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    • Marianne Meed Ward I would love to see that…more people would use it!

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    • So here is a case study for getting your transit ducks in a row. It would be sad to find Burlington is missing out on ideal office jobs because we have neglected transit. I’m not sure Amazon will accept a transit system IOU.

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    • Peter Goddard Agree. We need to get transit in order for many, many reasons including this one.

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    • Marianne Meed Ward great cycling infrastructure was also an Amazon requirement ?

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    • I was born and raised in Hamilton. I love Hamilton. We chose to live in Burlington. We love Burlington. Anyone who seriously thinks there is a hope in hell of amazon coming here is, at best, already using pot. Try that new thing – Google. See who the contenders are. And why. Aim high. Promote our fantastic region. Stop wasting time on this!

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    • John Syko Toronto and by extension us are 1 of 5 sites in the running according to forbes https://www.forbes.com/sites/marciaturner/2017/10/19/amazon-is-most-likely-to-build-its-second-headquarters-in-1-of-these-5-cities/amp/

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    • If you don?t ask you don?t get.

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    • I don’t think I understand. “Aim high” and “we don’t stand a chance” are antithetical. Pot might help. ?

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